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Re: Ubuntu Unity [Was: Re: This is going to sound weird but...]

Posted by Philedas <philedas-at-ntlworld.com> on 31 May 2012 | 0 Comments


> It's not very flexible, true. CompizConfig and Confity help on Ubuntu
> 11.x; I've not extensively tweaked 12.04 yet as the main thing I
> wanted - a smaller Launcher - is now right there in the preferences.
> There is MyUnity and UbuntuTweak for 12.x, which may help you.
>
>> Actually IMO ubuntu took a major step back after 11.04 wrt multi-head.
>
> Odd - works fine for me, on both identical& differing twin screens.
>
>> IMO Windows handles multiple screens better than Linux now. :-(
>
> Win7 is not notably better or worse, IME, than before. It works
> acceptably. Shame it can't handle a vertical taskbar well.
>
>> I wasn't a big fan of gnome previously but once KDE *also* broke
>> multiple screens handling I strayed and have stayed now on 2.32 for a
>> year...
>
> Try the Maté desktop then. Built-in option on Mint 13, looks and works
> just like GNOME 2. I am not sure how much of a future it has got,
> though.
>
>> [1] Plus I'm slightly sick of the MacOS loving on the minimise/maximise/close.
>
> [Shrug] It was an annoyance for all of 5-10 min for me, then I got
> used to it. You can move 'em back if you want. Mint does.
>


...... with apologies to Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie :

It's just that every OS sucks... and blows.

Now there's lih-nux or lie-nux,
I don't know how you say it,
or how you install it, or use it, or play it,
or where you download it, or what programs run,
but lih-nux, or lie-nux, don't look like much fun.

However you say it, it's getting great press,
though how it survives is anyone's guess,
If you ask me, it's a great big mess,
for elitist, nerdy shmucks.

"It's free!" they say, if you can get it to run,
the Geeks say, "Hey, that's half the fun!"
Yeah, but I got a girlfriend, and things to get done,
the Linux OS SUCKS.
(I'm sorry to say it, but it does.)


John :o)))

--
A man may see how this world goes with no eyes.
Look with thine ears: see how yond justice rails upon yon simple thief.
Hark, in thine ear: change places; and, handy-dandy, which is the
justice, which is the thief?

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Re: Ubuntu Unity [Was: Re: This is going to sound weird but...]

Posted by Druid <fastdruid-at-gmail.com> on 31 May 2012 | 0 Comments

On 31 May 2012 18:23, Liam Proven <lproven-at-gmail.com> wrote:
> On 31 May 2012 18:02, Druid <fastdruid-at-gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 31 May 2012 17:47, Liam Proven <lproven-at-gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 31 May 2012 17:39, Druid <fastdruid-at-gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 31 May 2012 16:36, Liam Proven <lproven-at-gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 May 2012 17:24, James Dening <james-at-dening.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I have little or no use for toolbars - I learned Windows before th=
e
>>>>> >> company owne
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I didn't like Office 2007 or 2010 at first as I knew the menus back=
to
>>>>> > front. As time went on I found their new layout more intuitive - mo=
re common
>>>>> > stuff 'at your fingertips' and as such, as good time saver.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting. How do you use them - with the keyboard or with the
>>>>> mouse? What sort of documents do you typically produce? Do you use
>>>>> lots of formatting and so on?
>>>>>
>>>>> > Liam - you do seem to have a slightly contrarian 'set in my ways an=
d proud
>>>>> > of it' feel to your role in this discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha! Probably. After being a tech hobbyist for ~30y and a worker in th=
e
>>>>> field for ~25y, I do rather feel that it's all going to crap these
>>>>> days. Modern computers are all much of a muchness; the interesting
>>>>> diversity is disappearing. User interfaces are being dumbed-down into
>>>>> uselessness, while at the same time, OSs and apps are growing huger
>>>>> and huger, meaning not only sloth but growing difficulty in
>>>>> troubleshooting their multiplying problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't hate everything new. I was very suspicious indeed of Android
>>>>> when I came to it as a happy Psion EPOC and Symbian user for about 15=
y
>>>>> - but Android won me over before I left the shop and I was delighted
>>>>> with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been using Ubuntu as my main OS since it was first released an=
d
>>>>> I am delighted with the new Unity desktop, which became the default
>>>>> last year - I find it a more pleasant experience than the older GNOME
>>>>> 2 desktop, although hundreds of people are complaining bitterly about
>>>>>the change all over the Web.
>>>>
>>>> Bah, I hate it.
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear that.
>>>
>>>> Mostly because it really really does not play nice with multiple
>>>> screens
>>>
>>> Odd. I am trying this on the left-hand screen of a dual-head machine
>>> running Unity and it's as sweet as a nut. It duplicates the top panel
>>> across both monitors, so I have 2 separate menu bars if there are
>>> different apps open on both screens (Firefox on the left, Chrome on
>>> the right, at the moment) - something that Mac OS X cannot do.
>>
>> It doesn't work with multiple X sessions
>
> Aaaaah. I did not know that but I can imagine. I have tried multiple X
> sessions, once, years ago, on my NT4 PC. I got it working but couldn't
> see any point nor any conceivable use, for me.
>
>> the reason for multiple X
>> sessions is that fullscreen of remote desktops/VM's doesn't work with
>> spanned.
>
> I've used 2-3 VMs at once on multihead, no problem. I don't use
> rdesktop much but I can move it from screen to screen or banish it
> onto a virtual desktop. What's the problem? (Just curious - not saying
> there isn't one.)

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/418209

Logged 2009-08-24!

>> The main reason it fails is that Compiz was changed in 11.10
>> to only work on one screen so the second screen er fails. There is a
>> work round of starting multiple Compiz processes for the multiple
>> screens but it's messy.
>
> Compiz is a bit of a POS, I believe (even its author says so:
> http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2011/12/25/apology-2/ ), and it's a
> major weakness of Ubuntu that Unity relies on it. They should have
> switched to Mutter but it would be a big rewrite: Unity is a Compiz
> plugin, I believe.
>
> Have you tried with Unity-2D?

No. I *like* the effects, if nothing else it makes everyone go "wow"
when I rotate the desktop cube and you can see video playing and/or
things updating - reversed and at an angle the other side of the cube.
:-)

>>> I get one launcher, on the left-hand screen, where it works best -
>>> that's where I put OS X's Dock as well. In Precise, having 2 Launchers
>>> is an option, albeit one I don't want.
>>>
>>> I can't see any way it works less well than GNOME 2 did, frankly. It's
>>> a /lot/ better than GNOME 3 on twin monitors, because G3 Shell just
>>> ignores the right-hand screen; it gets a non-functional panel wasting
>>> space, but it doesn't even do something sensible like put the
>>> virtual-desktop switcher over there. It's a mess.
>>
>> Lets not go there.
>
> :=AC)
>
>>>> but after lots of playing with it on my laptop I just cannot
>>>> get on with the way the buttons and sliders are=A0inconsistent[1]
>>>
>>> Please explain? I am not noticing this.
>>
>> The way the sliders 'appear' and move around
>
> Do you mean scrollbar thumbs? If so, yes, the skinny scrollbars and
> on-again-off-again thumbs are a PITA, yes, but such a small one I've
> never bothered to turn 'em off. I believe you can, quite simply.
>
>> the way the
>> close/minimise/maximise are in the top bar.
>
> Seems like an elegant space-saving move to me.

>>>> and
>>>> its so painful to configure (or just plain cannot be).
>>>
>>> It's not very flexible, true. CompizConfig and Confity help on Ubuntu
>>> 11.x; I've not extensively tweaked 12.04 yet as the main thing I
>>> wanted - a smaller Launcher - is now right there in the preferences.
>>> There is MyUnity and UbuntuTweak for 12.x, which may help you.
>>>
>>>> Actually IMO ubuntu took a major step back after 11.04 wrt multi-head.
>>>
>>> Odd - works fine for me, on both identical & differing twin screens.
>>
>> It's ok for clone and ok for span, not OK for multiple X
>
> [Nod] I believe you.
>
>>>> IMO Windows handles multiple screens better than Linux now. :-(
>>>
>>> Win7 is not notably better or worse, IME, than before. It works
>>> acceptably. Shame it can't handle a vertical taskbar well.
>>>
>>>> I wasn't a big fan of gnome previously but once KDE *also* broke
>>>> multiple screens handling I strayed and have stayed now on 2.32 for a
>>>> year...
>>>
>>> Try the Mat=E9 desktop then. Built-in option on Mint 13, looks and work=
s
>>> just like GNOME 2. I am not sure how much of a future it has got,
>>> though.
>>
>> I intend to, bit of a big job to swap OS on my work machine though
>> hence stuck with 11.04
>
> Ah, yes. Backup then in-place upgrade to 11.10 and thence 12.04?

Yes, trouble is I need to ensure multi-head multi-gpu (4 screens, two
video cards) works properly. I have recently acquired an identical
machine though so after nicking one of the processors (so I now have 8
cores bwahahaha) so I can stick in one of the drives from it and do a
fresh install and see how it goes, if it doesn't work forget it or try
another distro.

> If you planned ahead and have /home on a separate partition, then wipe
> & reload is not too bad - all your settings and preferences are safe,
> you just need to reinstall any extra apps you've added.

I have it all backed up to tape. :-)

Druid
--=20
A two-year-old is kind of like having a blender, but you don't have a
top for it.
Jerry Seinfeld

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Re: You know the old nugget about cars with a spike in the steering

Posted by mike newton <bikermike.n-at-googlemail.com> on 31 May 2012 | 0 Comments

On 31/05/2012, A <alan.frame-at-acm.org> wrote:
> On 31 May 2012, at 18:06, russell-at-lls.lls.com (Russell Brown) wrote:
>>
>> Yebbut I really really do need a bigger one! :-)
>>
>> Can anyone lend me a pick & shovel? I could expand underneath the whole
>> village then!
>
> Ruffle is organising Ixion digs a secret underground lair!
> Ruffle is organising Ixion digs a secret underground lair!
> Ruffle is organising Ixion digs a secret underground lair!
>
> 'ere, I thought you *already had* the only hollowed-out volcano on an island
> in Peterboghorrorshire?

OK, I'll sort the contracts, JKB and MRFS can sort out the underground
Monorail, [most of the rest of Ixion] can argue over ^h^h^h^h sort out
the IT..

P.S. Ruffle... now you've *got* the Race licence...
http://www.earlystocks.co.uk/

Mike
>

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Re: This is going to sound weird but...

Posted by Neil Ronketti <neil.ronketti-at-gmail.com> on 31 May 2012 | 0 Comments

On 31 May 2012 18:37, Liam Proven <lproven-at-gmail.com> wrote:

> On 31 May 2012 18:30, Neil Ronketti <neil.ronketti-at-gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was looking yesterday at a Chromebox - and you know what, I'm tempted=
.
> For
> > what I want, it's easily powerful enough, and like James, I use google
> docs
> > quite a lot (more so than locally stored libreoffice files). I also use
> > google drive now too.
> >
> > Or I could wait and see if there's going to be a port to the Raspberry
> Pi.
> > Which would make it a very cheap way to do things. Storage and
> applications
> > provided by Google. Local access via a =A325 device. The current
> incarnation
> > of Debian on the Pi isn't *quite* fast enough for me to use as a deskto=
p.
> > It's close. That said, I haven't tried running LXDE on Raspbian yet,
> which
> > could be a whole lot faster.
> >
> > Exciting times. Honestly. I think that the gradual switch to 'cloud' [1=
]
> > storage and lower powered desktop/laptop devices for the home is a
> genuinely
> > exciting time to be around. While there is always a place for
> high-powered
> > machines (gaming springs immediately to mind, but also, say, I use Visi=
o
> a
> > lot for diagrams) I don't want to have a monstrous desktop consuming
> > 600watts and sounding like an F-15 on full afterburn every time I power
> it
> > up to send an email.
> >
> > [1] I hate that word. I'm a network engineer. We don't build clouds.
>
> :=AC)
>
> I can't find fault with any of that. I just find the trend towards
> fairly sealed, lightweight boxes as clients, and BFO servers that
> require careful tending, to be one that leaves me, as a support
> bod/sysadmin/network builder doing more of the tedious drudgery and
> less of the vaguely interesting stuff.
>
>
>
<hmmm, after speaking well of google thingies up there, I'm now using the
gmail webinterface and wondering how this will format...>

actually, for me, as a networking bod, it's pretty interesting - certainly
more fun than the gold-rush mentality of the early 2000s where the plan
seemed to be to just throw as much fibre in the ground as possible and hope
for the best. Now, it's all about trying to make the best of the
infrastructure that's already there, so there's a lot more emphasis on
traffic engineering, application specific acceleration, and performance
routing and switching than there was ten years ago. Put it this way - I'm
happier developing and deploying custom networks on MPLS and data centres
using a bit of nous rather than just connecting another <n> routers to
AS<n> for $CORPORATION.

For me, as a consumer, it's also all good. OK, I'm typing this email on a
Win7 laptop (ta J!) which I love to bits, but that's only 'cos I happen to
be in the living room at the mo. If I was upstairs, I'd use my android
tablet. If I was in the garden, I'd ignore you all and drink tea. If I was
in my shed, I'd use either my RPi or a Linux desktop. If I was, I don't
know, half-way up L'Arete Ouest in the Gorge de la Jonte, I'd use my phone.
I am now completely platform and location independent, and can still post
shite to Ixion. Really, it's exciting times. And it's only going to get
better.

nr.

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IP Cameras update

Posted by James Dening <james-at-dening.org> on 31 May 2012 | 0 Comments

OK, cameras are en route to various Ixies (except Ben, who missed the
cutoff) - should be with you either Sat or Tue/Wed depending on bank hol
post.

J.

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Re: Raspberry Pi

Posted by andy pugh <bodgesoc-at-gmail.com> on 31 May 2012 | 0 Comments

I am sulking as I don't even have a date for my Raspberry Pi yet.

--
atp
If you can't fix it, you don't own it.
http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

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Re: This is going to sound weird but...

Posted by Neil Ronketti <neil.ronketti-at-gmail.com> on 31 May 2012 | 0 Comments

On 31 May 2012 20:53, Ric Davis <ricdavis-at-gmail.com> wrote:

> On 31 May 2012 18:30, Neil Ronketti <neil.ronketti-at-gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't want to have a monstrous desktop consuming 600watts and sounding
> > like an F-15 on full afterburn every time I power it up to send an email.
>
> A decent modern desktop actually idles at a remarkably low power
> consumption. Quad core SandyBridge machines with 8GB of RAM and
> onboard graphics are around 60 watts, and the latest ATI cards idle at
> around 10watts.
>

My sheevaplug, flat out at 100% CPU and swapping like a 9 year old with
twelve Michel Platini football stickers in the playground pulled 2W.
Haven't measured the RPi at idle yet. I suspect I'll need a more sensitive
meter :)

nr.

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Re: This is going to sound weird but...

Posted by Andrew <fifi-at-kickingtyres.co.uk> on 31 May 2012 | 0 Comments




On 31 May 2012, at 18:35, Liam Proven <lproven-at-gmail.com> wrote:

> On 31 May 2012 18:25, Andrew <fifi-at-kickingtyres.co.uk> wrote:
>>=20
>> On 31 May 2012, at 18:15, Liam Proven wrote:
>>=20
>>>> Then I could buy a Macbook Air. MMmmmmm.
>>>=20
>>> Nice and slim and sexy if that's your thing. Not many ports, chicklet
>>> keyboard which I don't like - albeit as good as chicklet keyboards get
>>> - and a buttonless clickable trackpad which works well but makes it
>>> hard to right-click and more or less impossible to middle-click AFAIK.
>>=20
>> Eh?
>>=20
>> Just press down with two fingers and that's a right click.
>=20
> Ah, but which finger is the pointing finger? IOW where are you
> pointing at when you "right-click"?

Neither. The click doesn't move the cursor from where it was. =20


Sent from my iPhone.=20

--
When a passenger of the foot, hooves in sight, tootel the horn trumpet melod=
iously

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Re: This is going to sound weird but...

Posted by Ric Davis <ricdavis-at-gmail.com> on 31 May 2012 | 0 Comments

On 31 May 2012 18:30, Neil Ronketti <neil.ronketti-at-gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't want to have a monstrous desktop consuming 600watts and sounding
> like an F-15 on full afterburn every time I power it up to send an email.

A decent modern desktop actually idles at a remarkably low power
consumption. Quad core SandyBridge machines with 8GB of RAM and
onboard graphics are around 60 watts, and the latest ATI cards idle at
around 10watts.

--
Ric

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Re: You know the old nugget about cars with a spike in the steering

Posted by A <alan.frame-at-acm.org> on 31 May 2012 | 0 Comments

On 31 May 2012, at 18:06, russell-at-lls.lls.com (Russell Brown) wrote:
>=20
> Yebbut I really really do need a bigger one! :-)
>=20
> Can anyone lend me a pick & shovel? I could expand underneath the whole
> village then!

Ruffle is organising Ixion digs a secret underground lair!
Ruffle is organising Ixion digs a secret underground lair!
Ruffle is organising Ixion digs a secret underground lair!

'ere, I thought you *already had* the only hollowed-out volcano on an island=
in Peterboghorrorshire?

Rgds, Alan=

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